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		<title>By: Shaun McCance: On Individual Recognition &#124; Full-Linux.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun McCance: On Individual Recognition &#124; Full-Linux.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of any open source technical writers. Karsten Wade—someone I respect very much—followed up with Calling out superrockstars considered harmful, in which he argues that top-ten lists drag down [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On Individual Recognition &#171; Shaun&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Individual Recognition &#171; Shaun&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of any open source technical writers. Karsten Wade—someone I respect very much—followed up with Calling out superrockstars considered harmful, in which he argues that top-ten lists drag down [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to comment 5:
I think if we were going to start a metric wishlist.. I&#039;d go a little further. Instead of a top ten list based on quantifiable output.. I&#039;d really like to know the top ten people in terms of efficiency of quality of output.  Because its those people the rest of the contributors in an area can really learn from to be better contributors.  

Holding someone up for recognition who is extremely passionate and spends an immense amount of time working on a subject area may not be the best role model to stand up...because the vast majority of people aren&#039;t going to be able to be that kind of contributor.  In fact the existence of such people may be indicative of a process problem which makes it difficult to distribute work among many people.  

I would personally much rather find the people who make best use of their volunteer time, and then have then explain to others how they organize their time and workflow so we can all learn from them on how to be better contributors.  I want to learn how to do what they do even if I only have a few hours a week to contribute and my overall output is small compared to someone who can put in 40 hours a week on contributions.

I don&#039;t want heros to look up to... I want teachers to learn from.

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to comment 5:<br />
I think if we were going to start a metric wishlist.. I&#8217;d go a little further. Instead of a top ten list based on quantifiable output.. I&#8217;d really like to know the top ten people in terms of efficiency of quality of output.  Because its those people the rest of the contributors in an area can really learn from to be better contributors.  </p>
<p>Holding someone up for recognition who is extremely passionate and spends an immense amount of time working on a subject area may not be the best role model to stand up&#8230;because the vast majority of people aren&#8217;t going to be able to be that kind of contributor.  In fact the existence of such people may be indicative of a process problem which makes it difficult to distribute work among many people.  </p>
<p>I would personally much rather find the people who make best use of their volunteer time, and then have then explain to others how they organize their time and workflow so we can all learn from them on how to be better contributors.  I want to learn how to do what they do even if I only have a few hours a week to contribute and my overall output is small compared to someone who can put in 40 hours a week on contributions.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want heros to look up to&#8230; I want teachers to learn from.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s working for Jono Bacon, either:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5597881627&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5597881627&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just want to say a very public thanks to Jorge Castro on my team. He is doing an awesome job with UDS. Thanks, pal. :-) #ubuntu&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5606825772&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5606825772&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was a little single-focused in my tweet earlier - in addition to Jorge rocking UDS, so has Claire, Maria, Marianna and James. Thanks all!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or even this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/&lt;/a&gt;

... and the outfall from that, which sucked for a long time.  Even the best ideas can fail miserably when the underlying meme is incorrect.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/#comment-990&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the community involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on previously? and who judged this award please.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s working for Jono Bacon, either:</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5597881627" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5597881627</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Just want to say a very public thanks to Jorge Castro on my team. He is doing an awesome job with UDS. Thanks, pal. <img src='http://iquaid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  #ubuntu</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5606825772" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/5606825772</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I was a little single-focused in my tweet earlier &#8211; in addition to Jorge rocking UDS, so has Claire, Maria, Marianna and James. Thanks all!</p></blockquote>
<p>Or even this:</p>
<p><a href="http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/" rel="nofollow">http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/</a></p>
<p>&#8230; and the outfall from that, which sucked for a long time.  Even the best ideas can fail miserably when the underlying meme is incorrect.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/#comment-990" rel="nofollow">Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the community involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on previously? and who judged this award please.</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michael DeHaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael DeHaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top ten Red Hatters?  That list must clearly be clearly about who can make the best puns.  In which case I think Grant, Alex, and Daryl win.

More seriously, I agree, the rock star term is really really unfair to the Jazz Fusion and Techno coders of the world.  Everybody should get to have their own band if they want one. Support local music!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top ten Red Hatters?  That list must clearly be clearly about who can make the best puns.  In which case I think Grant, Alex, and Daryl win.</p>
<p>More seriously, I agree, the rock star term is really really unfair to the Jazz Fusion and Techno coders of the world.  Everybody should get to have their own band if they want one. Support local music!</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding top-ten lists in general, there are times when they are very useful.  They can even spur good competition.  Top-ten bug reporters or closers; top-ten wiki editors; top-ten posters to a mailing list.  (Although I&#039;ve had being in the latter category a reason for slowing way back *cough* &lt;a href=&quot;http://darkmattermatters.com/2009/10/29/love-hate-and-memo-list/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memo-list&lt;/a&gt; *cough*.)

So perhaps there is a metric that can be used to count &quot;top&quot; technical writers, but it should be objective and quantifiable.  Number of books edited; number of page written; quantity or quality of commits; etc.  But that is a pretty big research project with dubious value outside of a doctoral thesis.   (Well, I&#039;d like to know, along with tool choices, and lots of other stuff, for any large set of communities, but I cannot code that and don&#039;t (&lt;a href=&quot;http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Architecture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yet&lt;/a&gt;) have the influence to Make It So.)

Compared to the people or groups singled out, I just see &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Scientific+Wild+Ass+Guess&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1000x&lt;/a&gt; the hard work coming from people who usually get thanked in aggregate as part of a team really getting stuff done.  I&#039;d rather we spend our time finding out how to make those people feel appreciated.  I am unable to hug or send chocolate to all of them, so what to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding top-ten lists in general, there are times when they are very useful.  They can even spur good competition.  Top-ten bug reporters or closers; top-ten wiki editors; top-ten posters to a mailing list.  (Although I&#8217;ve had being in the latter category a reason for slowing way back *cough* <a href="http://darkmattermatters.com/2009/10/29/love-hate-and-memo-list/" rel="nofollow">memo-list</a> *cough*.)</p>
<p>So perhaps there is a metric that can be used to count &#8220;top&#8221; technical writers, but it should be objective and quantifiable.  Number of books edited; number of page written; quantity or quality of commits; etc.  But that is a pretty big research project with dubious value outside of a doctoral thesis.   (Well, I&#8217;d like to know, along with tool choices, and lots of other stuff, for any large set of communities, but I cannot code that and don&#8217;t (<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Architecture" rel="nofollow">yet</a>) have the influence to Make It So.)</p>
<p>Compared to the people or groups singled out, I just see <a href="http://http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Scientific+Wild+Ass+Guess" rel="nofollow">1000x</a> the hard work coming from people who usually get thanked in aggregate as part of a team really getting stuff done.  I&#8217;d rather we spend our time finding out how to make those people feel appreciated.  I am unable to hug or send chocolate to all of them, so what to do?</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the superrockstar method working for other people, I think that remains unproven.  It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a way to quickly build a community that is reminiscent of a sports team fan base.  Do you get a long-term, sustainable community of contributors out of that?

I see that many projects do have well known personalities, and some are flown around to every event.  But they are such a small percentage of such a large community that gets so much done, I wonder how much the benefits of that model outweigh the much larger number who get forgotten and feel marginalized?

My argument completely ignores when people feel uncomfortable being singled out.  I know I do.  Everyone feels differently about being singled out for praise, especially if they are a good team player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the superrockstar method working for other people, I think that remains unproven.  It <em>is</em> a way to quickly build a community that is reminiscent of a sports team fan base.  Do you get a long-term, sustainable community of contributors out of that?</p>
<p>I see that many projects do have well known personalities, and some are flown around to every event.  But they are such a small percentage of such a large community that gets so much done, I wonder how much the benefits of that model outweigh the much larger number who get forgotten and feel marginalized?</p>
<p>My argument completely ignores when people feel uncomfortable being singled out.  I know I do.  Everyone feels differently about being singled out for praise, especially if they are a good team player.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems to work for Ubuntu, if you read Jono Bacon blog, you can see he often use this metaphor. On the other hand, I also dislike this, most of the time, this sound wrong. But I tought I was being simply weird and asocial :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems to work for Ubuntu, if you read Jono Bacon blog, you can see he often use this metaphor. On the other hand, I also dislike this, most of the time, this sound wrong. But I tought I was being simply weird and asocial <img src='http://iquaid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Osier-Mixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Osier-Mixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Máirín Duffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Máirín Duffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was recently a series of postings on top ten red hatters. I was on neither list. I certainly felt like I must have done something wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was recently a series of postings on top ten red hatters. I was on neither list. I certainly felt like I must have done something wrong.</p>
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