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	<title>Comments on: Fedora 17 packager metrics and why I care</title>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6570</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no matter how you try to peel back more info about paid versus volunteer time, the important thing is to always try to draw conclusions statements from the raw data which are either strong upper or lower bounds.  The current inability to get a good handle on the split of volunteer hours versus work hours will impact how you represent the boundary condition for conclusions.

You can then cycle back with something like a tack on survey to redhat employed contributors and try to develop aggregate information about how often people are doing off-the-clock versus on-the-clock work. Obviously it will differ from person to person, but you might be able to stand up the average to apply in aggregate to the subgroup as layered approach to pull your strict upper/lower boundary statement and make it a statistical statment with quantified average and stddev.

-jef]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no matter how you try to peel back more info about paid versus volunteer time, the important thing is to always try to draw conclusions statements from the raw data which are either strong upper or lower bounds.  The current inability to get a good handle on the split of volunteer hours versus work hours will impact how you represent the boundary condition for conclusions.</p>
<p>You can then cycle back with something like a tack on survey to redhat employed contributors and try to develop aggregate information about how often people are doing off-the-clock versus on-the-clock work. Obviously it will differ from person to person, but you might be able to stand up the average to apply in aggregate to the subgroup as layered approach to pull your strict upper/lower boundary statement and make it a statistical statment with quantified average and stddev.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6568</link>
		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin Fenzi just confirmed this for me on IRC the other day - the &#039;cla_redhat&#039; group was never universally used, and it&#039;s now deprecated. Everyone is required to agree to the new FPCA, regardless of employment contract. It&#039;s actually been a few years since &#039;cla_redhat&#039; was used, so it&#039;s probably very wildly out of date.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Fenzi just confirmed this for me on IRC the other day &#8211; the &#8216;cla_redhat&#8217; group was never universally used, and it&#8217;s now deprecated. Everyone is required to agree to the new FPCA, regardless of employment contract. It&#8217;s actually been a few years since &#8216;cla_redhat&#8217; was used, so it&#8217;s probably very wildly out of date.</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6567</link>
		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure it matters if an @redhat.com maintainer is doing something as part of a job role. Check my other comment on this - I think it&#039;s essential for the business that we not care but encourage people to participate when they can, as they see fit, regardless of job role.

Relative importance is relative. To some folks, a set of TTF files is more valuable than all of LibreOffice. I&#039;d rather not try to track that, either.

I&#039;ll leave RPM Fusion up to someone else, for now. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure it matters if an @redhat.com maintainer is doing something as part of a job role. Check my other comment on this &#8211; I think it&#8217;s essential for the business that we not care but encourage people to participate when they can, as they see fit, regardless of job role.</p>
<p>Relative importance is relative. To some folks, a set of TTF files is more valuable than all of LibreOffice. I&#8217;d rather not try to track that, either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave RPM Fusion up to someone else, for now. <img src='http://iquaid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bochecha</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6560</link>
		<dc:creator>bochecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; &quot;I need to make a mapping of the different email addresses Red Hat folks use, mapped to their main Red Hat account. This will help with sorting out this sort of detail.(Currently 659 accounts to check, not a terrible manual research job, just tedious.)&quot;

Can&#039;t you just look at the groups in FAS?

For example, for Red Hat employees contributing to Fedora there is:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/cla_redhat

(there are equivalent groups for Dell, Intel,...)

That seems much less tedious, and much more future-proof (in case somebody gets hired for example).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8220;I need to make a mapping of the different email addresses Red Hat folks use, mapped to their main Red Hat account. This will help with sorting out this sort of detail.(Currently 659 accounts to check, not a terrible manual research job, just tedious.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you just look at the groups in FAS?</p>
<p>For example, for Red Hat employees contributing to Fedora there is:<br />
<a href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/cla_redhat" rel="nofollow">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/cla_redhat</a></p>
<p>(there are equivalent groups for Dell, Intel,&#8230;)</p>
<p>That seems much less tedious, and much more future-proof (in case somebody gets hired for example).</p>
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		<title>By: nicu</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6559</link>
		<dc:creator>nicu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately i&#039;m not sure is possible to tell when an @redhat.com maintainer do this as part of his job or do it on his own.

Another hard to count factor is the package importance, since not all packages are equal, is different when one maintain a the *whole* LibreOffice and someone a set of TTF files (for example).

And yet another thing which can&#039;t be aggregated into the official statistics are packages available elsewhere - and I am talking here about things like RPM Fusion, practically but not officially they *are* Fedora.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately i&#8217;m not sure is possible to tell when an @redhat.com maintainer do this as part of his job or do it on his own.</p>
<p>Another hard to count factor is the package importance, since not all packages are equal, is different when one maintain a the *whole* LibreOffice and someone a set of TTF files (for example).</p>
<p>And yet another thing which can&#8217;t be aggregated into the official statistics are packages available elsewhere &#8211; and I am talking here about things like RPM Fusion, practically but not officially they *are* Fedora.</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6558</link>
		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... identify bottlenecks and some outreach goals.&quot;

Exactly! I&#039;m pretty sure we can do all sorts of automagic to help flag potential bottlenecks (or downright trouble), and it&#039;s ultimately about giving us humans a chance to reach out to each other.

It&#039;s not really like a system monitoring setup, humans aren&#039;t like servers. But human interaction - especially creating free and open source software on the Internet globally - is a social network with a lot of programmatic interfaces. Now we&#039;re starting to get to something we can monitor and analyze, a network with API calls flying across it. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; identify bottlenecks and some outreach goals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly! I&#8217;m pretty sure we can do all sorts of automagic to help flag potential bottlenecks (or downright trouble), and it&#8217;s ultimately about giving us humans a chance to reach out to each other.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really like a system monitoring setup, humans aren&#8217;t like servers. But human interaction &#8211; especially creating free and open source software on the Internet globally &#8211; is a social network with a lot of programmatic interfaces. Now we&#8217;re starting to get to something we can monitor and analyze, a network with API calls flying across it. <img src='http://iquaid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6557</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I&#039;m really excited by your effort here.  

I would love to be able to mature methology and trending to the point were we can start to identify bottlenecks and some outreach goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really excited by your effort here.  </p>
<p>I would love to be able to mature methology and trending to the point were we can start to identify bottlenecks and some outreach goals.</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word, brother. Just battling the inner &quot;what-if&quot; demon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word, brother. Just battling the inner &#8220;what-if&#8221; demon.</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6555</link>
		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, that&#039;s exactly the situations I&#039;m familiar with. I worked on Fedora until 2007 before it became any part of my job. Ironically, what I spent most of my time on in Fedora was almost never related to my job-work-for-Fedora, unless sometimes it was! It all gets so muddled ...

I think the nuances you mention would matter statisitcally if I were trying to track how Red Hat spends payroll down to small percentages of a full-time person. That is something that really is between a manager, a team, and an individual. Even where you may have some Fedora duties as part of your job role, it can be very fluid how much time it takes, and you may get interested and pulled in to other parts of Fedora outside of that, again on a fluid basis. I think that overall flow is extremely important to the value and success of Red Hat in both producing free/open source software, and in making a business out of it.

Ultimately, my goal is to create something that people who take it on themselves to care about the health of their community - people like you and I - can have a dashboard-like view in to the kind of output of stats++ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/statistics_plus_plus, with associated content to help analyze and act based on what the metrics show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, that&#8217;s exactly the situations I&#8217;m familiar with. I worked on Fedora until 2007 before it became any part of my job. Ironically, what I spent most of my time on in Fedora was almost never related to my job-work-for-Fedora, unless sometimes it was! It all gets so muddled &#8230;</p>
<p>I think the nuances you mention would matter statisitcally if I were trying to track how Red Hat spends payroll down to small percentages of a full-time person. That is something that really is between a manager, a team, and an individual. Even where you may have some Fedora duties as part of your job role, it can be very fluid how much time it takes, and you may get interested and pulled in to other parts of Fedora outside of that, again on a fluid basis. I think that overall flow is extremely important to the value and success of Red Hat in both producing free/open source software, and in making a business out of it.</p>
<p>Ultimately, my goal is to create something that people who take it on themselves to care about the health of their community &#8211; people like you and I &#8211; can have a dashboard-like view in to the kind of output of stats++ <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/statistics_plus_plus" rel="nofollow">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/statistics_plus_plus</a>, with associated content to help analyze and act based on what the metrics show.</p>
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		<title>By: quaid</title>
		<link>http://iquaid.org/2012/06/20/fedora-17-packager-metrics-and-why-i-care/comment-page-1/#comment-6554</link>
		<dc:creator>quaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic, thanks for the pointer. I&#039;ve worked with Ian on early versions of datanommer et al, we&#039;re definitely moving in the same direction. I&#039;ll go get reacquainted with statistics++.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic, thanks for the pointer. I&#8217;ve worked with Ian on early versions of datanommer et al, we&#8217;re definitely moving in the same direction. I&#8217;ll go get reacquainted with statistics++.</p>
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